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Patrician
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Irene
2005-03-30 04:01:54 UTC
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Ok ladies and gents, here's another couple of questions from that newbie in
the frozen North:

1) What exactly is a patrician nose? What does it look like and where did
the name come from?

2) Anybody have a recipe for a hot totty? Or any other legal concoction that
might put me to sleep.

Irene
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Mary Alice Kropp
2005-03-30 04:12:22 UTC
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Post by Irene
1) What exactly is a patrician nose? What does it look like and where did
the name come from?
Have no idea where the term came from, but patrician means belonging to the
arsitocracy, refined, noble. I guess a patrician nose looks like it belongs
to a refined person of the nobility?
Post by Irene
2) Anybody have a recipe for a hot totty? Or any other legal concoction
that might put me to sleep.
This I can help you with! Take a large mug, put in a tsp or two of sugar or
honey (I like honey, but I use a bit more), a good squeeze of lemon juice
and a shot of your favorite whiskey or rum (it's exceptional with Captain
Morgan's Spiced Rum), then fill with hot water and stir.

-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak

http://www.chilicats.com

A lot of people like snow. I find it to be an unnecessary freezing of water.
-Carl Reiner
Irene
2005-03-30 05:08:50 UTC
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Post by Mary Alice Kropp
Post by Irene
1) What exactly is a patrician nose? What does it look like and where did
the name come from?
Have no idea where the term came from, but patrician means belonging to
the arsitocracy, refined, noble. I guess a patrician nose looks like it
belongs to a refined person of the nobility?
right...ok..not helpful. I've never been that close to a noble to get a real
look at their nose :-)
Post by Mary Alice Kropp
Post by Irene
2) Anybody have a recipe for a hot totty? Or any other legal concoction
that might put me to sleep.
This I can help you with! Take a large mug, put in a tsp or two of sugar
or honey (I like honey, but I use a bit more), a good squeeze of lemon
juice and a shot of your favorite whiskey or rum (it's exceptional with
Captain Morgan's Spiced Rum), then fill with hot water and stir.
-Mak
I'm Cuban, I can do rum :-)
I will have to run out and get some spiced rum. Thanks for the recipe.

You know, if you add club soda, crushed mint leaves and use white rum (aka
Bacardi) you have the Cuban nation drink known as a Mojito.

guess that would help the insomnia too I suppose <EG>

Irene
Mary Alice Kropp
2005-03-30 15:13:04 UTC
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Post by Irene
You know, if you add club soda, crushed mint leaves and use white rum (aka
Bacardi) you have the Cuban nation drink known as a Mojito.
Ooh, love Mojitos! First exposed to them during a Cuban cooking class my
husband and I took a year or so ago! Really good and refreshing.

-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak

http://www.chilicats.com

A lot of people like snow. I find it to be an unnecessary freezing of water.
-Carl Reiner
Melissa Houle
2005-03-30 06:37:20 UTC
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Post by Irene
Ok ladies and gents, here's another couple of questions from that newbie in
1) What exactly is a patrician nose? What does it look like and where did
the name come from?
2) Anybody have a recipe for a hot totty? Or any other legal concoction that
might put me to sleep.
Irene
--
http://home.gci.net/~backpackinginalaska/
Backpacking in Alaska and Nepal
Irene and Bill's excellent adventures
Hi Irene,

Well, your question interested me. Here is the dictionary definition of
"Patrician" which I found by typing in the word at Yourdictionary.com:

A member of one of the noble families of the ancient Roman Republic, which
before the third century B.C. had exclusive rights to the Senate and the
magistracies.

Typical "Roman" noses admired by the ancient Romans were prominent, and
pointed a bit down at the tip, and might have had a slight hook to them. So
that is one possible definition of a Patrician nose.

For what it's worth to you, I don't think that's the ONLY fitting
description of a so-called Patrician nose. I just think probably a shnozzola
like Jimmy Durante's probably would NOT fit into the patrician category.
Neither would Richard Nixon's ski-jump. Boxer's noses that have been broken
multiple times wouldn't fit, either. When I think of a patrician nose, I
think of a straight, slightly chiseled nose, neither too large nor too small
in proportion to the rest of the face. It would be well defined, and
well-proportioned. The forehead, nose, and chin would all work together to
make a pleasing profile on either a man or a woman. For women, the nose
would be a bit softer or more refined, and come to a finer point at the tip.

As for legal Sleeping remedies... I usually go for hot milk and honey. And
a bit of the old firewater probably wouldn't hurt, either.

Melissa
Mary Alice Kropp
2005-03-30 15:14:52 UTC
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There you go, Irene! Leave it to an artist to have a good explanation....

-Mak
http://www.thirtytwopaws.com/mak

http://www.chilicats.com

A lot of people like snow. I find it to be an unnecessary freezing of water.
-Carl Reiner
Diane Kowalewski
2005-03-30 22:49:49 UTC
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As another artist in the group and of Italian descent (ancestors
hailing from Rome, Abruzzi, Naples and Calabria) I have always defined
a 'Patrician nose' as a Roman nose. Just check out any photos of Roman
statuary (emperors are good) for prime examples--very much the way
Melissa describes them. My daughter has what I call a Roman nose--and
I mean this in a good way. It's long, has the slight bump on the
bridge, a lightly chiseled tip or end and perfectly compliments her
face. Check out her photo and self-portrait on her website:

http://www.illusoryart.com

Click on the left painting on the home page for her portrait, and the
bio link for her photo.

Diane
Irene
2005-03-31 01:34:39 UTC
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Post by Diane Kowalewski
As another artist in the group and of Italian descent (ancestors
hailing from Rome, Abruzzi, Naples and Calabria) I have always defined
a 'Patrician nose' as a Roman nose. Just check out any photos of Roman
statuary (emperors are good) for prime examples--very much the way
Melissa describes them. My daughter has what I call a Roman nose--and
I mean this in a good way. It's long, has the slight bump on the
bridge, a lightly chiseled tip or end and perfectly compliments her
http://www.illusoryart.com
Click on the left painting on the home page for her portrait, and the
bio link for her photo.
Diane
Very talented young woman and very pretty. I love the colors of her homepage
and the geometries. Fast loading and very pleasing contrasts to the eye.
Fantastic artwork too. Love the one of Thelonius Monk especially.
Thanks for sharing that link.

Irene
Diane Kowalewski
2005-03-31 03:37:23 UTC
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You're welcome, and thanks--can only claim half credit for the former.
;~P
Website is her own design. As I promised Melissa some time ago, there
are four scenes from DR she's rendered but reworking, 2 in oils, 2 in
watercolor that she has promised me she will put on the site when done,
but she's working on some paid illustrations at the moment and DR
scenes have been shoved to the back burner for now.

I almost forgot my fav recipe for hot rum toddy. Dissolve 1 tsp. honey
in a mug with a little hot water. Add 1 1/2 oz. gold or white rum & a
lemon slice studded with 4 cloves. Fill mug with boiling water and add
cinnamon stick. Cheers!

Diane

Julianne Toomey-Kautz
2005-03-31 01:27:37 UTC
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Hi, Irene!
Post by Irene
1) What exactly is a patrician nose? What does it look like and where did
the name come from?
The term 'patrician' comes from the Latin. "pater" = "father" A
patrician nose generally refers to a Roman nose-- as in big, jutting
straight out, sharp...
Post by Irene
2) Anybody have a recipe for a hot totty? Or any other legal concoction that
might put me to sleep.
My grandfather had a great recipe for a hot toddy, but I never saw
it... I guess they didn't want the girls drinking like that. :) But
MAK's recipe sounds about right.
**********
blessed be, Julianne
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